cc700 you think you've seen eugen in it's bad cycling aspects just wait till September when 8000 18 year olds move here and add in the other 15000 students and then you'll see some outrageously stupid cycling outings!! I agree with Eugene being pretty bad at times but then again we have some of the best out of town rides ever and dre if you move away from campus your frustrations will decrease greatly. My favorite incidents are when the students with wheelie backpacks step off a curb on 13th without looking 7 feet in front of you and never have any clue they almost got steamrolled.