I have a beater fix that has some 3 year old Weiny DP-18s on it. Still true, never trued outside of how they came at the shop (good shop, pretensioned et al), have bashed plenty potholes and curbs. Formula hub with DT Swiss 14ga spokes if it matters. Got the set for about $220 in 2005 or so. They aren't very light. City use? Yes. Velodrome use? No.