oh ok thanks and DL dont accuse me of being a **** just looking for folding bikes to how you im looking for a decent bike to buy if you didnt know already because my folding bike atm is a old bickerton and i would like a newer folding bike, someone found a gazelle and i thought that was a rubbish bike (i also saw it on ebay) but now ive learned that it is a very good dutch bike, so i cant miss these chances and i have to make sure if these bikes i come across are any good or not.