actually I am in new ro, and that metro cycles is the LBS I mentioned before. The guy just rubbed me the wrong way. While there I noticed the Trek soho and the Giant bowery but kind of thought\hoped I could find something less expensive.

Salvation Army, really? I’ll check it out, thanks. I’ll start another thread on what I should look for in a used frame, or if you or anyone could PM me any addt'l info it would be greatly appreciated.

a friend of mine just suggested the SE Draft which fits into my budget... any feedback about this bike?

http://sebikes.com/2007/bike-detail.asp?id=19