Originally Posted by
Kommisar89
That doesn't make any sense to me - if I am already using all my muscle strength to push down to propel the bike forward with my right leg, where do I get the extra strength to lift the left leg. The weight of the left leg is then effectively pushing against my forward motion by requiring some of the work from my right leg to lift it up. On the other hand, if I lift my left leg with my hamstrings (that is why they are there after all) then all the work of my right leg can go into moving the bike forward.
Your left leg rises on every pedal stroke. Something has to make it rise. That something can be the left leg muscles or the right leg muscles. From an energy expenditure point of view it doesn't matter - it's the same amount of work. And in fact as you yourself explain below, at high cadence it
has to be the right leg pushing down that lifts your left leg, since the left hamstrings aren't fast enough to keep up with the pedal revolutions.
Originally Posted by
Kommisar89
At high cadences, where most of those lab tests are done, the hamstrings are not able to balance the quads and so there isn't much "pull up" effect.
Originally Posted by
Kommisar89
At low cadences, like when climbing a hill, the hamstrings play a much larger role.
That is probably true, and even clipless pedal bashers acknowledge they may help here, but there are also lots of people who ride up steep slopes with platforms - take bmx riders for instance, or half-pipe tricksters.
Originally Posted by
Kommisar89
when I ride my commuter that has platforms my feet do sometimes slip off the pedals on the upstroke so that pretty much convinces me.
When I used to ride clipless and I would swap them for platforms in winter boot weather, I would notice that too, for the first day or two, and then it goes away. In fact, I noticed it happened as the pedal goes over the top, not halfway up as you would expect if you are pulling up. So I concluded it was more an effect of leg momentum, and clipless making you lazy - you're used to the pedal dragging your foot over the top so you forget to actually keep your foot in contact with the pedal.