Funny. I rebuilt a 1982 Miyata with some Rivendell/Velo Orange parts and my brother bought a Homer Hilsen from Riv. His bike was comfortable the first minute he bought it. Mine took 6 months of painful trial and error. He paid $3,000, I am probably in for $1,600.

Now they are indistinguishable. I cannot express how grateful I am that Rivendell exists. Neither of us would have as great bikes if they didn't.