Its hard to have a single discussion area for both groups as they are very different. We tend to disagree on most topics like strength and parts needed. There were a few that stuck around a long time but they just kind of stopped coming. Too bad too, for the most part I really liked most of them except the most extreme retro grouches. If we had two seperate areas it might bring some of them back to discussions for xc and for dh/fr and allow us to mix and match topics.