Originally Posted by
jeffy1021
I thought smaller wheels fare better on hills, am I misinformed?
That's a half-truth that comes from the assumption that smaller wheels will always be lighter, but due to lack of engineering or just plain economics smaller wheels rarely achieve this potential. For example, in theory smaller wheels should be able to use fewer spokes, but in practice they never seem to be built that way because standard spoke placement, thicknesses, angles, alloys, etc have all evolved to be optimal for larger wheels and, thus, need to be relatively overbuilt when shoehorned onto small wheel designs (killing any advantage). That's not to say that there aren't small wheeled bikes being built with low spoke counts, it's just that for a given strength it seems that smaller wheels need to use more spokes than they would if optimally designed components were available.
Since the economics of the situation dictates that no manufacturer will custom engineer anything sufficiently close to what is available off the shelf, you have to look to radically different designs to see the effect. For example, an inline speed skater can usually beat the pants off a roadie in sprints or going up hills and, although the mechanics of skating are not as well understood as cycling, due to their re-engineering, inline skate wheels probably exhibit all the purported advantages of smaller wheels.
That's one of the things I find so interesting about being an engineer (albeit not a mechanical one): To engineer a superior product one must engineer a trojan horse that can not only trump existing products, but also weave its way past the status quo. In my opinion, small wheel racing designs have thus far failed to achieve this goal (though I would contend that the 8" wheeled Carryme from Pacific Cycles will blow any other commuter bike out of the water in terms of getting up to speed or going up hills with the minimal amount of effort).
Originally Posted by Bike Friday
Small wheels climb better due to a smaller diameter that needs to be rotated.
-I have NO idea what this is supposed to mean in physics terms.
I'm pretty sure they're trying to refer to the rotational inertia, but you can file this under the "don't you have to pedal more?" myth about small wheels because once you account for the higher gearing (and subsequent wheel spinning) the inertia is the same.
Originally Posted by 1984 Olympic Men's Road Race Gold Medal winner, Alexi Grewal
Tests have shown that up to 16 mp/h, the small wheel is more efficient that a big wheel. Between 16 and 33 mp/h there is little difference. Over 33 mp/h the gyroscopic effect of the big wheel makes it more effective. Most folks do not go over 33 mp/h.
-"Tests?" What "tests?" Show me the money.
I agree, unless he's referring to the (very difficult to measure) energy expended steering the bike it's hard to see how the gyroscopic effect could come into play (which, by the way, Jobst Brandt has argued is negligible compared to the qualitatively similar affect of fork trail).
Originally Posted by Peter Moore, professional bike mechanic at Abbotsford Cycles
Reducing the weight of rotating parts, especially wheels, is doubly useful, as you effectively have to lift them up twice!
*awoooooo hoooooowl*
Well, don't you agree that, neglecting surface friction, it requires twice as much energy to roll a wheel than slide it? Granted, "lift" is a bit misleading as gravity doesn't pull any harder on a rotating mass than a stationary one, but going over a hill is a longer distance than tunneling through it.
Originally Posted by
stevegor
Ok then, I wonder if you had a folder and a roadie at exactly the same weight, with 2 riders of exactly the same weight and ability if there would be any difference on the flats, climbing, descending and sprinting?
Even two different road bikes of different design, but equal weight, are not guaranteed to perform exactly the same. There are too many other variables. The biomechanics of cycling is more complicated than most like to admit.