Old 08-06-08 | 07:56 PM
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While I agree that it's possible to over analyze anything I truly feel that leaning and using countersteering in a concious manner is going to speed up the learning to ride phase. If only because the rider will be using it rather than trying to "trick" it into happening. It'll fade to the level of instinct soon enough as the comfort level comes up. But used conciously at first means that the rider isn't trying to steer the bike like a car. And that's a huge step right off the bat.

That video linked in BarracksSi's post just above is excellent. It clearly shows all three parts of a turn, the entry kick, the turnin to balance the turn and the turn in to lift the bike back up. VERY nicely done. Although I do take exception with the idea that at very low speeds it's better to lean rather than counter steer. At super low speeds I find it's essential to counter steer "into" a fall if I want to stay upright. Granted the amount of initial counter steering to get into a turn is super light and almost not much at all. But the amount needed to recover from a very slow turn is quite a lot. It's still "counter steering" when you turn INTO a turn to lift the bike back up. After all, you're still turning the bars the "wrong way" to go the way you want to go.

While you won't ever feel it on a bicycle he's sure right in the video about at racing speeds needing to use a huge push and pull on the bars. I've done some racing and lots of track days and at around 100 mph and up the bars require HUGE forces to make the bike turn in sharply or go through a tight chicane. But that's mostly about the wheels acting like extremely effective gyroscopes at that point.
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