Originally Posted by tigrrrtamer

Yes I would love links, thank you.
I haven't looked at my Talbot book in about 20 years, so I'm not even sure it would have what I want in it.
The bike I had was really short... ultra short chainstays, the feet overlapped with the front wheel, it handled amazingly in slow and fast situations... quite different from your standard steering geometry.
I want someting extremely nimble, but stable on th edownhlls as well... looking for some examples... something tried and tested. Track might not be appropriate for this. I have a track bike with an aggressive geometry from the same maker, and it handles quite differently from the frame I crashed and no longer have.