This thread amazes me. It starts off `why do driver honk at cyclists who run red lights?` and turns into `Drivers suck. They hate bike riders. Most of them think we`re children...` Well, no ****. You`re demanding that you be treated with respect, like any other road user, and then you ride through stop lights? And give me a break with the `I`ve never seen a driver come to a complete stop at a stop sign` argument. That was not the original post. It had to do with riding through RED LIGHTS. Has anyone EVER seen a car driver pull up to a red light, look around, wait until there was a break in cross traffic and then race across********** At 2:15am in the middle of Mayberry, perhaps. In the middle of the day as is most often the case with cyclists? Not a chance. You know what`s funny? The guy who blows red lights/scurries through cross traffic BUT happens to wear a helmet is considered `safe and responsible` while a helmetless rider who waits at lights, comes to a STOP (not a wobbly trackstand) at stop signs is considered a `Euro wannabe` and an accident waiting to happen. Unbelievable.