I have an 02' Veloce triple and it weighs close to 23.5 pounds. This was one of the reparto corse veloces... Note that the 04 veloce is made in taiwan from -- as already pointed out-- reynolds 631/525, and it feels lighter when I have picked up a couple in my LBS recently. If you're looking for a good steel bike, I've had my eye on the LeMond Sarthe, which is a veloce gruppo and weighs around 19-19.5 pounds for dbl/trp. But my veloce is fine - I do about 3-4,000 feet of climbing on my favorite local ride, and even though it's heavier, it doesn't really seem to matter that much. Celeste is nice..