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Old 09-18-08 | 10:23 AM
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sacha white
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Originally Posted by dutret
Is anyone really trash talking your bikes? People are just suggesting that as nice as they are they aren't worth the huge premium or the wait over a similar bikes.

What was the average price of a vanilla branded frame this year? How long ago was the deposit placed?
What really makes a speedvagen that much better than the alternatives? It's a nice bike but other than the seatmast and custom tubes that requires do you really think it's that much better than anything else?
I guess I'll phrase it differently.

What knowledge/ experience are you (or anyone here) basing your opinions on. Not just with my company, but with any builder?

Deathhare? What actual knowledge do you have on the subject?

I have over 30,000 hours of frame design/ building experience. My bikes have been to multiple world championships (winning one), won gold silver and brinze at National championships, countless state championships. But you're right, a bike from this "American Kid" probably couldn't handle what you would throw at it.
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