Originally Posted by MERTON
ti. carbon is for peopel that like splintery bits in 'em when they crash.
What are you talking about? Pound for pound, a carbon frame will severely beat out steel (here come the steel is real people).
A sub 2 lb steel frame will use tubes that are so thin that in the same wreck, while the carbon might have a 50/50 percent chance of experiencing this thing you call "crack" or "splinter", the steel would be turned into a pretzel.
You can also search for the thread that showed the results of some german stress testing done on bikes and of 20 some odd steel/al/carbon/ti bikes, the carbon ones withstood the highest loads for the greatest duration.