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Old 10-13-08 | 02:54 AM
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Originally Posted by pacificaslim
As an impartial observer, I'm so glad you have it all figured out and are so sure of your views that you can post them as the one and only truth. God, we'd be so lost without the E-richies and Thylacines of the world to tell us that our own personal experience and viewpoints are flawed and should be tossed aside and theirs taken up as gospel instead.

(hey, you guys may be absolutely correct: but the way you express your views makes a simple guy like me hope you are wrong!)
It's really simple mate. You listen to people with more experience than you.

I mean, for example Richo has been building bikes since I was born, and if there was ever a question regarding lugged framebuilding and processes, or heck even custom road bikes in general you'd be the dumbest person on earth not to at least listen.

People don't - I'm afraid to tell you - have some god given right to singlemindedly defend their opinions just because they're theirs. Someone can have an opinion and can still be 100% wrong, and if they're that closed minded and not open to change their opinions based on making a judgment call regarding people with more experience than them, then they're the most dangerous type of idiot.

I don't really care what the OP's experience was 'back in the day' because as I've said it's clouded with so many 'unknowns' to be of little value to a frame designer. I haven't seen any arguments as yet from him or anyone else that would lead me to believe there is such a thing as 'crit geometry' and that if you went to any custom frameshop worth their salt they would sell you one.

Now in terms of 'delivery style'.....well I'm sorry if you don't like it. What can I say, I'm a no BS Aussie. But like you I get riled when people insist on something that isn't true, and it's especially annoying if it's towing some marketing wank that ever worked but apparently worked for the OP and they're keen on 'reliving it' some 25+ years later.

It's patently obvious to me : nobody makes or sells 'crit geometry', you can't go into a bike store and buy 'crit geometry', you can't go to any decent road framebuilder and order one, and if you went to ANY crit anywhere in the World and told your fellow racers you have special 'crit geometry' they'd look at you like you were an idiot.

End of (long and boring) story.

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