Originally Posted by
Peterpan1
The irony in this case, is that in general terms, the "lugsters", are coming here and saying a type of bike that you can find googled on the internet from no further back then 10 years ago, doesn't exist, possibly never existed.
Yes, that is indeed the funny thing, that throws the supposed expertise of these guys into question for an outsider like me. It takes me no more than 5 seconds on google to find a current custom frame builder operating right now, a guy who has also done thousands of frames, and has a "criterium geometry" frame right now and has diagrams showing the exact differences it has from his road racing frame, touring frame etc. Steeper angles, a tiny bit higher bottom bracket, etc.
But yet...these frames don't exist and were merely "marketing" gimmicks from big labels of the past?