Originally Posted by Peterpan1

"I thought most Rohloff users are 'touring users'. What's not to understand???"

Touring is a use that doesn't even get attention for decent brakes or groupos. Rohloff, as I understand it is all for the muddy MTB guys, not us. That is why they run with the wrong wheel size and spoke number. For instance they don't get the need for same length spokes or they would be cashing in on a front hub. Phil gets it, one of the few companies that actually makes touring specific products in the key components area.

Thanks for all the helpful info on spoke lengths folks! I am going to have to futz with spoke calc I guess.