Well, true...they're not the worst bikes in the world, but I wasn't saying that. You can get some amazing deals at thrifts/garage sales/curbs on trash day/your apartment building's basement.

But they're not "track" bikes. Nor are they "track legal" as some of the items were described. Don't know if the seller still lists things the same way or not.

My point is that there are a lot of resources to learn from before getting serious about building a bike up.