This is a post pasted from another thread, I am putting it here as it seems very relevant to the discussion.
I actually got a very good read so far and I think OP has some very valid points plz read below.
I recently bought a Gios Compact from 1990 decked out with a complete C Record. Although heavier than my first bike (Basso alu/carbon with Record) it has quickly become my main ride. What I have discovered is that due to steeper seat tube angle my whole position has shifted more forward and over the BB allowing me to step on pedals with more force. This I expected. What I was surprised about is that this bike is great for going uphill as well especially when out of the saddle (because of shorter wheelbase? Somehow, I am better positioned over the bike when out of saddle on this bike). As far as flex is concerned, when you do a static flex test (off the bike, pushing down the pedal) Gios flexes more than Basso but proves to be a snappier ride; it responds better when pushing on pedals out of saddle. I don't know how to define the feeling except to state that, somehow, Gios has more character than Basso. While being a fine ride, Basso is neither here nor there, for example, I couldn't define it as either bike for flats or hills (think of expression "jack of all trades, master of none").
The only question that remains is, is this all in my head? I am well aware of "new bike fever" but after 1000 km on Gios, I am truly wandering, can it be THAT better than a much newer Basso...
To remain fair to the discussion I should also say that both bikes are fine handlers (Gios will steer more quickly and is harder to ride no hands) and I don't necessarily see difference in average speed of one bike over the other (it's the engine, not the bike), Gios just feels more right...by a considerable margin.
The geometry of the two:
Gios:
Tubing - Oria Ranf (spiral (rifle) butted)
HTA, STA: 74 deg
TT: 55.5 cm
head tube length: 16 cm
chainstay length: 39.5 cm
fork rake: 45 mm
wheel base: 99 cm
Basso:
Tubing - Easton Ultralite triple butted aluminum front triangle - carbon chain/seatstays
HTA, STA: 73 deg
TT: 56 cm
head tube length: 17.3 cm
chainstay length: 41.5 cm
fork rake: 45 mm
wheel base: 100.5 cm
Height of handlebar and saddle same on both bikes. Both bikes are equiped with Mavic Open Pro rims, on Gios laced 4x 36 holes, on Basso laced 3x 32 holes. FWIW, I am 185 cm tall, weighing 71 kg right now.
Any comments are most welcome.
P.S. If any other measurements are required, request them and I'll do my best to measure correctly.
P.S.1. I second the opinion of previous poster that Gios Compact Pro may well be a frame with the geometry OP is looking for. I say, try to get hold of one to test ride it.
P.S.2. Attached are photos of two bikes discussed.
Last edited by nenad; 11-11-08 at 01:01 AM.