For you folks out there ridin' in 20 degree weather. Want ridin' pants that you don't have to layer in. Totally windproof and cold proof. Look at SportHll.com. Their XC 3SP pants are the ultimate winter riding pant, good down to about 20f. The Infuzion II's are on sale at Amazon for $45 (retail for $85), those are good to about 25f or so depending on your tolerance. Do like I do and google search for the cheapest price. They're not cheap, but worth every penny.