Cheers for that jonestr .. you hit it on the nail .
here is the saddle that yet another friend is sporting



if you look at the colors behind the colnago logo . now envision those colors where the italian colors are. that would be 100% what i am looking for .
i saw a guy last summer on a popular cycling route that had one of the saddels im talking about . but i never had the chance to chat with him , he just went "whizzzing" by !


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