i think the departure time could accomodate some of you "working stiffs" if y'all are interested. i think it will take around 50-60 minutes to get out there and a quicker return since north broad runs downhill. so if any of this entices the white collar/blue collar sorts, a 5:30-6 launch time might be the way to go. otherwise the freelancers/slouches will rip whenever we get out of bed.