thank you very much for the help. the gentleman that i got the bike from insisted he bought it in 71 and it was italy. well i know he made a mistake. also smc i think that is a 60 cm which is too big for me. ive been riding it a little but it does feel too big. i just picked this up yesterday. i really wanted an italian masi from around 71. oh well this aint it i guess. thanks again for the infor and the web referral. joe e. ps check out my confente pics under my name. that is the real deal . joe englert