lol - You're far too polite Alan - it's rubbish!!! I need to learn about this stuff. I also need some better software. The digital camera can do reasonable movies in 640x480, but you can't add music to them to make them more bearable. The camera only produces an Apple format (.mov) so I can't edit them to add titles, soundtrack and so on using MS Moviemaker. If I convert them to AVI (which would allow me to edit them in Moviemaker, I'd have to buy additional software, which being as tight as a shark's arse (watertight) I'm not really prepared to do. I'd rather spend money in other ways. So - there's my moviemaking career at an ignominious end.