Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
You can still make a good frame with Hi-Ten, you just have to use more of it.
Maybe that depends on the definition of 'good'. But I have never seen one.. There probably isn't $2 saved in using hi-ten over basic cromo and then there is the stigma associated with it in the marketpalce. Back in the mid 90s a number of entry level road bikes from some of the bigger makers were made with Hi-ten or generic cromo with hi-ten stays. Best that was ever said about them was 'ok for the money'. And that was probably being charitable.