whoa, kurt, your totally wrong there. what i say is the truth, i dont know that much about vinatge bikes. im totally not a snob about vintage bikes unless its to the guys i see riding around on carbon. you guys are great and if i offended anyone-sorry-sorry-sorry. you guys know more than me thats why im asking you questions-not to be condesending- anyway the comment by mr repecage that i just want to pick your brains but do no research on my own struck me as a little offesive thats all. anyway if i offended you im sorry, i appreciated all the help you gave earlier