I urge anyone posting top take the time you were going to spend insulting me and search out one picture, a different picture(the same ones keep cropping up again and again), of a hack job. I don't have a real opinion on this matter, I'm for bike love in any form, I never said it doesn't happen. This thread can spiral downward into a bunch of rants, or we can keep it respectful and provide a resource for people to inform themselves before they decide what to do with their bike. Alarmist isn't an insult, it's a description for people who make a big deal out of a small deal. Yes, I'm on drugs, me and Michael Phelps just did some bong rips and swam some laps...