i think the kid is talking about 23 miles here...at least his post says 23 miles and i dont see any other posts of him correcting the "mistake". what time does school start for a 14 yr old (on average)? would you guys say 8 is an accurate time? how long do you think its going to take him to ride that 23 miles? i can go about 5 miles every 30 minutes, with traffic lights and stop signs and all that stuff factored in. so a 23 mile ride would take me about 2 hours, but i will say this guy is a lot faster then me and doesnt have to stop at a traffic light at every corner and it takes him 1.5 hours. lets say it takes him a hour to get up, change, eat breakfast, etc etc etc etc. so thats a total of 2.5 hours. if he started at 8 and wanted to arriv, lets say 30 minutes early, so he could find a place to park bike, unpack stuff, and have time to dry off, put deodorant on and stuff so hes not walking to class stinky.. he would have to leave the house by 5am. o_O not to contridict my other post in the safety forum or anything, but thats just insane for a 14 year old. also, we dont even know if he knows how to ride in traffic or has even rode his bike for that length. it would give him good excerise, save gas, etc etc etc, but think about it here guys...