Well, I've looked at a couple Hardrocks,Schwinn Mesa's,and some Giant's. I have ruled out gripshift in my looking though, rapidfire is way smoother.I found a Giant Iguana for 550. The dealer also hinted that he would cut a deal. The Iguana is pretty cool, it comes with deore in the rear, and a Manitou shock with lockout capabilities. I may go with the Rincon though, it only comes with an unadjustable Suntour shock and Acera drivetran but I can upgrade that later, and also the lower price would leave me with some spending money. .I want to put a Manitou Black shock on when they come out anyway so the shock is not a huge problem, but I don't want something that bobs around and bottoms out all the time.But I think the frame is my main concern overall.