mechanical ron, that is one sexxy beast you have... im convinced. lht it is. i think i was convinced from the start. i just found a leftover frameset from 08 for $300!!! I might just build it up over the next few weeks. But, i went to my lbs today and they said they could get me an 09 complete for the same price as bike direct, 930... or they could match the price of the 08 frame, but give me an 09. does anyone know if the frames changed at all between the two years? id love to get an 07, mmmmm black cherry.....yum. ron, what kind of panniers are those??? love the world war 2 look...