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Old 03-17-09, 08:02 AM
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. During the fall I've actually fallen during this last stretch when the rear wheels spin out on wet leaves. As Maddmax says, there's no shame in getting off on a 20% grade. Hell, most people wouldn't even try it.[/QUOTE]

I know what you mean with the wet leaves, it is frightening when you are breathing hard and laboring up a steep grade and you hit those leaves. It is like you hit a patch of ice.
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