And one of the secrets is out. I didn't want to post this technique here. I would even prefer it, if a mod sees this, please delete the above information (the original post above as well).

You have to know where to drill, but if you do, this can be done very quickly with the lock on the bike just as easily.

And to oldscratch--- You seem to think that I don't know what I am talking about. I do. If you don't see the value in using the padlock I have suggested that is totally fine with me. Don't buy it. I want everyone to use whatever lock that they are comfortable with. Some people prefer MULTI LOCK/MEDECO.

I am simply supplying information that I feel is safe to give out on the intertubes. Advice that I feel some people might find useful. I will not explain every technique because I do not want to be responsible for supplying lock defeat info to anyone.

You are right. Thieves don't pick locks or make keys for them, they DO 'defeat' (or 'break', if you prefer) them. I stated this, plain as day, in my original post. Savvy thieves DO know how to defeat them in several different ways that you have no idea about.

Your need to be 'correct' and 'win' this argument seems to be greater than mine, so enjoy.