yeah i searched the threads for both, and found some OLD threads about pake and then a few little things about Andel, but I wanted to start a new one to get some good info from people who have used both these cranks. I don't care AT ALL about 130 vs. 144, in fact, 130 might be better cause the chainrings are probably more common/cheaper. I didn't realize they were made by the same people though...that is making this decision easier...anyone else use Pake?