I'm considering both of these for a touring bike build. I've used them both, but never for the kind of riding done while touring. I'd like opinions on both. I like the looks of the copper rails on the B17, but the sprund saddle might be nice on rough roads. Oh- either would be in honey adn going on a burgandy 1985 Panasonic Pro Touring, just so you have an idea of the build.