Originally Posted by Lazyrider

Pcad, my point is about the actual product itself, not the psychological aspects of consumers and free market stuff. Would you pay $400 for a designer t-shirt? I wouldn't, but there are idiots who do. As far as me being "too cheap", no I just don't like getting it in the $#$#$.

My point of showing the Fondriest and my friend's Pedal Force together is to illustrate the same frame can cost $2k more with a name brand slapped on it. This is not conjecture, it is the same frame. You can call the Pedal Force "cheesier", I call it the same minus the Fondriest Decals.