Thanks paul, yeah, its tough to buy for someone when they are 400 miles away! the sister is in Nelson BC and I am down in Victoria. I'm a used gear kind of guy, way cheaper and i can tinker, so I know I'll be able to find a deal more easily here than in Nelson, more people, more bikes. She did an inseam measure and is bang on a 50cm, she went to a bike store in Nelson and had the guy ranting about "Fit Fit Fit" because she just wanted to get on the bike and take it for a spin aroudn the block to see if 50 would do the trick. finally he let her and she said it felt good. The OCR1 is a 50 and the Specialized is a 52, so thats another strike against the Allez. Thanks for the feedback!