Thanks davesss, I have a madone 4.5, which I think only has a performance fit/non-pro and I've been fighting with this reach issue all last summer and now my first few rides of this year. I have gone all the way down to the 90mm stem and flipped it up as well. I'm 5'10 and pretty average arm length and torso. The 4.5 has a 105 shimano components. Can the hoods be moved back? Everything seems fine with the 56, but i've been fighting this reach thing. I'm thinking about selling it and buying a 54cm specialized if I can't get this bike to fit. Thanks again