Originally Posted by
urbanknight
You said it right there. Even Jamis doesn't make it a genre. The genre is "street" while the term "commuter" is only a model name within the "street" genre.
Ah-ah-ah... I said "or at least sub-genre", and besides the "Commuter" line, "street" is broken down into several other sub-groups, including "Fitness/ Commuting/ Touring". Further, if I walked into an LBS and said "What kind of commuter bikes do you have?" the salesman would very likely know to show me something with fenders, probably a rear rack, flat bars, possibly lights, and a more upright riding position. Similarly, if I asked for a road bike, he would show me something with a much more aggressive riding position, drop bars, and no unnecessary add-ons. If we only recognize genres when manufacturers declare it to be one, are we seriously going to take "street" as a genre exclusively from Jamis, "asphalt" as a genre exclusively from Kona, and "recreation" as a genre exclusively from Cannondale? if that's the case, then what makes a bike a "road bike" is "the manufacturer lists it in their 'road bike' line", and we can end this discussion right here. Otherwise, I would contend that "road" and "commuter" are genres that the industry recognizes.
Originally Posted by
urbanknight
But yes, you and anyone else would be laughed off the face of the earth if they posted something like that. See Mongoosewhateverhisnamewas.
Right. So why are contentions of "it's how the bike is used" or "well you could put skinny tires on a mountain bike" getting any traction around here? A road bike is a bike designed to approximate, if not perfectly match, a racing bike. It may differ a very little in design, but not a great deal. That's what everyone knows it means. That's what it's used as here. Why is this even a serious debate?