I am a surly owner, and I certainly would praise their frames, but I wouldn't call them the best in the biz. They do design some of the most adaptable, no-nonsense, durable, utilitarian frames available. The guys at Surly are smart, but really the products are just cheap TIG welded Tiawanese steel frames. Good, great in fact, but not the best frames, not even close. In some instances, they aren't even the best frames for the money.