Originally Posted by
mihlbach
I am a surly owner, and I certainly would praise their frames, but I wouldn't call them the best in the biz. They do design some of the most adaptable, no-nonsense, durable, utilitarian frames available. The guys at Surly are smart, but really the products are just cheap TIG welded Tiawanese steel frames. Good, great in fact, but not the best frames, not even close. In some instances, they aren't even the best frames for the money.
I've yet to find them. I went with the trek 520 because stole a deal for $800 complete with quite good components. It's lighter than the long haul trucker, but I couldn't get the 35mm tires with fenders on it: a big disappointment. The crosscheck would have fit my needs much better
So why not do this here too? I've looked at steamroller and Karate Monkey competition. I'm sorry but I've yet to even like the competition. Any suggestions?