4 posts up is some tomasso. that's not an origin 8, just posted because it's a good deal and in the neighborhood of this origin 8 frame

the pile of **** is a motobecane, and I guarantee a good sight better than the origin 8 frame. this is based off the fact that the bit of experience i've had with origin 8 stuff has been full of lols at the terrible quality

the mbk rides great, makes for a nice commuter and much more practical than any other bike for $280 that i can think of.