Boy, your not kidding...when those first came out....I mean like the first day they were available through the supplier, I got one, and rode the leather right off of it. I had them for years after, until I stopped riding and then trying to find another one was like finding Jimmy Hoffa. Love that thing!!!! As for the old looptail bmx bikes.....got no idea what your talking about there...I never rode bmx, but I'll google it cuz now I'm curious. I took it on it's maiden voyage today...wow, so much nicer than my old Trek, even after I upgraded all the components.