I have both the Ultra and the Elite's and like the fit better on the Ultra's and the chamois on the Elite's but I love my saddle so either works fine. I also have the Voler Hammer bibs and several pairs of Bellweather bibs. My favorites in this order
Bellweather
Hammer Voler
Ultra
Elites
The elites have some longevity problems that I am not have with the Ultras. The elites I have are only a 6 panel bib and the Ultra are 8 so that is probably the fit issue.