Originally Posted by
allwaysbybike
Hi Mike.
I've bought several bikes from you in the past and have sent countless people to your site. I would like to remain a customer but don't appreciate being blown off by chris. I asked a simple and straight forward question.You have two bikes made of the same material at similar price points what are the pros and cons of each so I can make a decision and give you money. Instead I got this. Again the customer is making a leap of faith to buy a machine sight unseen and not road tested. The least you can do is try and give the customer as much information as possible. Chris said he's already built one of these bikes so clearly he or you has some more information about the bike. I want to continue being a customer but at this point I feel like you don't deserve my business.
Regrettably,
Howard Grossman
here is the last e-mail exchange:
Hello,
There will be a review of the CF in the August issue of Bicycling, most sizes will be sold out by then.
Thanks,
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Grossman, Howard <Howard_Grossman@wpbt.org>
To:
bd4salesteam@aol.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 4:08 pm
Hi There,
With no sign of the Titanium Motbecannes in sight it looks like I’ve narrowed it down to the Le Champion CF, which looks stunning or one of the Immortal’s in that price point.
Question being that the Immortals have had great reviews although they are starting to look a little dated (or classic) while I’m no fan of the modern Trek, swoopy rolling semi compact frame design, the Champion CF looks fast and purposeful. So why should or shouldn’t I go for the new (untested) Champion over the Immortal frame series bike.
Thanks again,
Howard Grossman
NY Director/Senior Photographer
(212) 560-8759
Howard
First, thanks for your previous business.
I am sorry that Chris was short in his answer and did not have enough details on the new le Champion CF line. We have just added these bikes and do not have a great amount of feedback on them yet. I am working on getting actual frame drawings postyed; so that customers can judge for themselves.
For of CF bikes
Immortal are really race bikes
Century we consider to be relaxed semi-compact bikes for longer less aggessive rides
le Champion CF are a bit in between and are closer in design to the le Champion Ti [excpet material adjusted differences]
The le Champion CF was bought in as more or less an 'extra' CF bike that we could experiement with costemtics on [two tone paint and such] - Plus we are adding full group SRAM setups in the le Champion CF line {may add in Ti too - if full SRAM group bikes move well}
My answer would not be like most; I would buy a le Champion CF over an Immortal if I liked the custom paint job on the le Champion CF {which I do} - It is a bit more relaxed than the Immortal - but both are smooth as they are CF frames designed for not overly stiff ride.
I can not and should not make excusses for Chris; however our sales and e-mail traffic this year have gone thru the roof. I have added lots of people and my wife and I answer e-mail at night and on weekends and still Chris and the other people in the office are covered up. Still he should have spent more time on answering you
Sorry
Mike