im sorry i started this thread. picchio gave me the infor. i wanted. i ride a 52-57cm frame quite well thank you. adjustments are made in saddle and stem for comfort. honestly, i buy these to ride and collect. i like to buy a bike by criteria as in=looks,rideability=name=era=collectibillity=resale. lets face it, most people go into a bike shop, throw out a grand for a new bike, ride it a year, sell it for four hundred bucks. thats one of the reasons i love vintage bikes=you never lose money(i know, i know, a few of you are laughing at me with my cinelli disaster, but, believe me, that is the exception not the usual for me.