Hi Red Rider I dare say your son probably took many good things from a ride like that with mom and dad. Bikeing was not as popular when my children were young/I find it hard to believe my son is 46.///Ill post my ride today here; 20mile mtb loop in a beautiful area of maine coast with no developement allowed called the Basin I used the old cannondale mtb/21speeds like rideing an old friend probably go back there tomorrow to give the dog and cart and trek 7300 a rest //got to get another bike for towing the 7300 is takeing a real beating /Its my favorite for big time mtn bikeing east of machias/Kenneth