billh, I think you think we are more extreme than we are. Even Serge has agreed that bike lanes can be useful on at least some 45+ mph roads with few intersections (and virtually all pro-bike-lane people agree that bike lanes are of limited or no use on <25mph roads with lots of intersection).

For a more useful discussion, go over to the general bike lane thread. They have started to discuss specific lanes on specific streets. That makes it harder for each side to argue under different factual assumptions. This thread is supposed to be about mandatory use laws. The other thread is for more general topics.