Well, this is usually where I bow out of the forum and leave the opinions to those more knowledgeable, which is most. I know a little about the first one because I hve a similar frame. But, I'll throw some stuff out here and let others correct me on the 2nd bike. I don't see an Italian flag on the frame whichBianchi did when they wanted to claim the "Made in Italy" moniker even though, my understanding is that even then, it didn't mean the frame was entirely "Made in Italy". Some of their frames were made in Japan and that isn't necessarily a bad thing. 80's, Japanese steel frames by Ishiwata, Tange, Miyata, etc are still highly collectible. Anything Campagnolo adds value apparently. I didn't see what the shipping was, but if that bike came up for sale in my area, the seller would probably be asking $200-$250. But, I live in a high price area for bikes.