Tejano I must say I agree with road fan. how is an inexperienced person to learn without trying? sure I rode my share of cheap tubulars when I could have bought top of the line clinchers for what I was paying for the 3 or 4 Vittoria formula 1s I was using in a week but I learned to get the tires on without getting my self covered in glue, and to appreciate the ride of a fine tubolar tire. if you we discourage inexperienced riders things like tubulars they will go the way of tied and soldered wheels, friction shifters and tailfins