Originally Posted by
Stanger
You seem to be in a pretty hardcore state of denial here. So if I like to lift weights, I should get big, heavy, and oversized so I can be a champ? I can't just lift weights to increase my overall strength?
Well, if you're only talking about lifting weight to increase your overall strength with no ambitions of competition, then posting pictures of professional cyclists would make you a disingenuous jackass, wouldn't it?
Originally Posted by
Stanger
I always try to engourage people that only lift weights to endurance train and I encourage endurance trainers to lift. If you ever come across some activity outside of your specialized area it is quite useful.
It is? Like what kind of activity?
Originally Posted by
Stanger
That weightlifter might find himself in a position where he needs to run a good distance...
Like when? When he needs to escape from
New York? You live in a self-indulgent fantasy world, obviously. I don't generally find myself in a position where I regularly must lift more than 50 lbs. I've had a couple jobs that required moving heavy objects around, and my skinny arms weren't a problem. Similarly, your example of a weightlifter probably doesn't need to run anywhere very quickly.
Originally Posted by
Stanger
Also, you are mistaken about the "mediocrity" level of a good total body workout. If someone can do 20 handstand pushups then jump up and run a 45 minute 10k, that is mediocre?
In an actual 10k? Yes, it's fairly mediocre. Moreover, it's pointless in any sense other than a personal one. If someone can do those pushups and then run 10k and that makes them feel good, that's good for them. But if you're seriously suggesting that someone who could do that is a "better athlete" then, say, Kenenisa Bekele, who would run 10k in 27:30 on a BAD day, then you're an idiot.
Originally Posted by
Stanger
Maybe I just don't understand super specialized athletes. I don't ever plan on competing at a serious level...
In which case, as I said, posting pictures of Michael Rasmussen makes you a jackass. And I personally want to be the best cyclist I can be, and have very little interest in lifting (though I will probably being doing some this winter to build some strength, because I want to... not because it will make me a better athlete).
Originally Posted by
Stanger
but would like to be able to do everything above average
In other words, to be mediocre at everything. Good on you. I'm content for the meantime to merely be a mediocre cyclist. I don't care what you do. It's your pretense that something that you do for your own satisfaction somehow makes you a superior athlete that I think is so pathetic.
Originally Posted by
Stanger
"Focusing on only leg strength and endurance is the highest level of fitness that can be achieved!"
You're not paying attention.
Originally Posted by
ricohman
No. I'm a LEO. Just what am I supposed to do with pencil thin arms when I really need them?
I was able to move 1,000 plus pounds of books plus a whole lot of furniture into my new apartment using just my "pencil thin arms." Again, if you think that massive arms are necessary for daily life, including some moderately heavy lifting, you're an idiot.
Originally Posted by
ricohman
If some of you guys are to lazy to hit the weights 3 or 4 times a week or do some other form of cross training don't say others do it for vanity.
And yet, you obviously do. Exactly how much good would it do my bike racing aspiration to "hit the weights" 3-4 times a week? Ah, yes, that's right - zero, and in fact, probably worse than zero. I would get slower. So let's see, weight training is not necessary for daily life, and beyond a certain point is worse than useless for cycling. About all that's left is vanity. Which is fine, but
own it. Pretending moral superiority because of your muscles because you feel stupid getting blown off the back on the climbs is pathetic.
Originally Posted by
ricohman
I would bet that you could ask any fast rider with a muscular body (entire body) if he would be slower with skinny arms and no chest or shoulders.
What do you think he would say?
Fail. Any fast road rider with large upper body muscles would absolutely be faster without them, at least on the climbs.